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Wilderness and High Gas Prices
Started June 7, 2008 @ 11:41am by xtreme
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| Wilderness and High Gas Prices | June 7, 2008 @ 11:41am | | There are 27 Wilderness bills before congress at this time. Has anyone called their congress rep/senator? How is 27 Wilderness bills and high gas prices related? Why do we have high gas prices? Does pop explosion have anything to do with it? Why can't we drill? Are you afraid of global warming? I know the answer. |
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| June 7, 2008 @ 11:54am | My anwswer from Pryor:
(I put the type in bold print)
This legislation would enact the Bureau of Land Management’s (BLM) National Landscape Conservation System (NLCS) into law. The NLCS was created in 2000 and includes over 850 federally recognized areas and approximately 27 million acres of National Conservation Areas, National Monuments, Wilderness Areas, Wilderness Study Areas, Wild and Scenic Rivers, and National Historic and Scenic Trails. This legislation passed the House of Representatives on April 10, 2008, and was placed on the Senate legislative calendar, where it awaits debate on the Senate floor. I will be sure to keep your views in mind should the Senate address this issue.
Again, thank you for contacting me. I value your input. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future with this or any other concern you may have.
Sincerely,
Mark Pryor
United States Senate |
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| June 12, 2008 @ 7:16pm | Once again, I think it's our fault as citizens. When we stop voting for the two parties that have been responsible for the crazy crap that keeps happening, we have ourselves to blame. Next election I'm going to the polls with a little slip of paper in my hand that says: "I can not in good conscience vote for either of the two existing parties candidates".
Some will say that is a wasted vote. I disagree. I think voting for either of the existing parties candidates is beyond a wasted vote. I think it sends the message to both parties that I want exactly what they have been doing for the last 50 yrs.
Control of the House, Senate, and White House has passed back and forth from one party to the other roughly equally for the last 50 yrs. Neither party alone put us where we are today. They are both responsible.
As for keeping OHVs out of the woods, the Dems have sold out to the Envrio-whackos, and the Repubs want us out so we don't see the drilling, clear cutting, and related stuff. Neither party wants us in the woods on our OHVs. |
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| Ughhhh! | June 13, 2008 @ 12:33am | Jgas nailed it. We can make an argument from morality given two propositions listed in the post above.
Voting does not matter.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. If a voter supports evil candidates, let the vote be cast. If a voter does not support evil, it is not wrong to withhold support from an evil candidate. Not voting in this second case does not nullify your right to complain, petition the government, nor participate in other more meaningful ways. It only demonstrates that you do not support evil men or women in office. Voting for someone implies a moral consent to their despotism.
Once in office we (as a nation) tend to keep bad politicians in office. F.A. Hayek suggested that the worst politicians rise to the top because they have the lowest moral threshold. Successful politicians are the ones, Hayek argues, who will stab their competition in the back and have no misgivings about the murder.
Edouard Daladier mentioned, “The weakness of democracies is that once a [politician] has been built up in public opinion it becomes impossible to remove him.” Environmentalists have been built up in public opinion. How many times has Al Gore been proven to be a fibbing scoundrel? Nuff said.
Political capital
Politicians like Mr. Pryor will do or say anything depending on the constituent’s affiliation because he gains political capital with a constituent group assuming the cost will be less than the benefit. For example, he will never come out for the legalization of prostitution because the number of supporters gained will be far offset by the loss of supporters. It is unimportant what his personal views are or the quality of the argument presented. Ask Eliot Spitzer.
Closely examining his letter, we can see that this is a low temperature issue in Arkansas, and that he has presented exactly no position. I suggest it is likely that he will support whatever side will keep him in office. Truth or rightness of property rights and equal access rights to the commons be damned.
This is why lobbyists who face the mighty cash cow that is the Sierra Club and the mangy environmental movement faces an impossible task. I don’t know what the answer is. Perhaps it is civil disobedience or petitioning private property owners to allow riding on their land. Either way, it must be done as a unified body and it must be done en masse.
Whew! That got deep fast.
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Last Edit: June 13, 2008 @ 12:39am by Virtus | |
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| Wilderness and High Gas Prices | June 14, 2008 @ 2:59pm | Wow! I am not alone! There really are like minded people out there. I would add that term limits are our friend. We need to use them. Rule number one. Never allow a second term. Never. No one.
Voters are divided by 1/3s. One third is clueless, dumb, s-----. They should not vote.
Now is the time to put the blame for high gas prices on the enviros. They caused it for the same reasons the previous post stated. Senators do as the Sierra Club wishes.
A letter to the editor, Voces, may 29 by Karen Patton of Little Rock is the epitomy of enviro thinking. She states that oil companies only drill for profit. Well how does she think they can stay in business drilling for charty? She states we use more oil than any other country while producing only 20% of what we use because the US has no rich oil fields. Wrong again. We have senators. The Montana/North Dakota area has 40b barrels, the Artic National Wildlife Refuge has 4 billion barrels proven. There is likely more. The Colorado shaleand the coasts have more oil than Saudi. She goes on to talk about saving some bird. They are always saving something, usually some molusk we didn't know existed.
We do have a huge supply of coal. We also have natural gas. T. Boone Pickens is working on using natural gas to reduce our oil dependancy by 38%. Have you ever heard a senator mention that?
She rants about our oil reserve that Pres. Bush refuses to release, well duh, that is for emergency.
George Bush has not helped us much but the fact he hasn't destroyed us is a major plus. Imagine Algore in charge.
None of them (senators) will even mention the problem much less address it.
THE PROBLEM CAUSING HIGH OIL PRICE IS POPULATION GROWTH.
It is never mentioned. Forty million illegals PRODUCING a new baby every 12 months, pretty soon it adds up. The rest of the world is doing the same thing. It will get worse progressively faster with each new birth. |
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| June 15, 2008 @ 8:01am | Hmmm. I wonder what implementing term limits for the RVDRs would do for the club? Who's next? 
Pete Petrick
PREZ, RVDRs |
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| June 15, 2008 @ 5:46pm | | i don't think we have that much graft and corruption in the RVDR. |
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| June 18, 2008 @ 10:39pm | | Nope, if we ever term limited Pete as Praz, the whole RVDR nation would fall apart. It would be like the U.S. post-apocalypse as in the Kevin Costner movie "The Postman". We'd have a complete breakdown in the River Valley when it came to getting things done. No one else has his organization skills or ambassadorial skills. We'd all kill each other, or we'd likely just ride together more and fail to accomplish anything as a club. |
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